Early childhood schooling specialist Mr. Chazz joins Janet to debate the frequent challenges youngsters face in preschool. Chazz is the present Educational Supervisor of 9 preschools, a passionate trainer who has interacted with hundreds of youngsters, and an inspiring coach for each dad and mom and lecturers. He and Janet share methods for successfully addressing habits points and provide insights for fogeys and lecturers to create nurturing studying environments that can set our children up for achievement.
Transcript of “Helping Children Thrive in Preschool – What Parents and Teachers Can Do (with Mr. Chazz)”
Hi. This is Janet Lansbury. Welcome to Unruffled. Today, I’ve the nice pleasure of talking with Mr. Chazz. He is an academic specialist presently overseeing 9 preschools. He coaches lecturers. He’s branched out into teaching dad and mom as effectively. He’s been a supervisor, and a coach, and an issue solver, and he refers to himself as CEO of lecturers altering the world. He’s capable of translate a toddler’s language in a manner that adults can perceive. He’s dedicated to serving to dad and mom and lecturers help youngsters’s growth in a manner that’s extra pleasurable and efficient for everybody.
Hi, Mr. Chazz.
Mr. Chazz: Hello, Janet. How you doing?
Janet Lansbury: I’m doing effectively. I’m so excited that you just wished to return on right here and share with us. I had heard about you thru the grapevine, the work that you just’re doing, however you and I really linked just lately, and it was thrilling to see how a lot we now have in frequent. There’s rather a lot we don’t have in frequent, like I’m sufficiently old be your mom, and you’re black and I’m white, we’re completely different genders, and you most likely have somewhat extra facial hair than me at this level.
Otherwise, we now have a lot in frequent: the way in which that you just obtained into your work that you just’re doing now so organically and with a ardour and additionally with a steep studying curve, which I additionally had, with youngsters’s habits, figuring that out. Then you discovered that you just even have a present for this and that you just’ve been capable of assist different lecturers, and dad and mom and youngsters to grasp their habits and develop relationships which can be respectful, and optimistic and affirming.
Yeah, so I really like that. Although we’re very completely different in some methods, we now have a lot in frequent. As I mentioned to you, you’re in this for the fitting causes.
Mr. Chazz: Yeah.
Janet Lansbury: It’s simply very refreshing. You are genuinely, humbly into this work and studying all that you may.
Mr. Chazz: Yeah. I actually do really feel like that is my life’s function to assist folks benefit from the strategy of progress, actually. That additionally consists of myself, and so it was actually necessary for me to do work that I take pleasure in doing but in addition to assist different folks take pleasure in what they’re doing, whether or not it’s instructing, whether or not it’s parenting. It is discovering what their ardour is. Yeah, this simply very organically occurred. When your why, it doesn’t matter what occurs.
Situations can change. What modified for me and for everybody was the pandemic and the quarantine. Everyone went house. The lecturers went house. The youngsters went house, and the dad and mom turned the first lecturers with their youngsters 24/7, and they actually struggled and actually didn’t know what to do. As I noticed it, particularly via social media as a result of we have been all house, I actually noticed a possibility to assist. It’s been actually thrilling, fulfilling and validating of my life’s function is to get messages every single day, feedback and messages saying that I’ve modified folks’s lives and their relationships with their youngsters. That’s what it’s all about. I actually really feel like that’s what I’m meant to do.
Janet Lansbury: I’m so glad you’re on the market doing this. You’re very a lot wanted.
Well, I feel, proper now, some folks have youngsters which can be in care facilities and in preschool, and some folks don’t, so there’s each on the market, proper? You mentioned that your facilities are open, have been open for some time.
Mr. Chazz: Yes. All of the facilities in my district, 9 colleges, are open and have been open. There was one faculty that closed for a few weeks, however all the opposite colleges have been open.
Janet Lansbury: What I need to ask you about is a query that I obtain usually from dad and mom: What will we do, what do you do and what can dad and mom do when a toddler is having issue in these conditions? Maybe they’re disruptive or they aren’t following instructions, they’re not, quote, “listening,” they’re having issue making pals and thriving socially in the classroom. What do you take a look at? What do you contemplate? I get a whole lot of questions on this. Honestly, it’s most likely each mother or father’s worst or one in all their worst nightmares to listen to suggestions from the lecturers or the folks caring to your youngsters that your baby is having issues and they’re hitting or they’re being disruptive or they’re not following instructions, they’re an issue in the group. What do you do if you come throughout this with a toddler? What do you take a look at?
Mr. Chazz: The very very first thing is observe to actually perceive why the habits is occurring. Lots of people deal with simply the habits. You talked about hitting. Lots of people will strategy the scenario like hitting is the issue. I’m right here to let you know, and it’s going to shock lots of people, that hitting is usually not the issue. There is an underlying lack of talent or a underlying social-emotional problem, and the results of that’s the hitting.
We need to, because the caregivers at house, in school, actually observe, particularly when these behaviors are taking place, and take a whole lot of knowledge: is there a sure time of the day that the habits is occurring? What are the patterns? What’s taking place earlier than, what’s taking place throughout, what’s taking place after? to actually establish what that underlying downside or underlying problem is that the kid is having in these conditions.
For hitting, a whole lot of instances, the issue is lack of means to precise themselves or they don’t have the language to resolve the issue. Maybe it’s over a toy. The baby is likely to be hitting as a result of they need a toy, and the way in which that they know methods to get issues is thru a bodily means. It’s not their fault. Numerous instances, we get so annoyed.
Like you say, none of our feelings, even because the grownup, are fallacious. Now, as adults, we now have to, in these conditions, handle our feelings throughout this time and reply thoughtfully in order that we might be in a spot the place we are able to actually assist them, versus making the scenario worse. Because if we’re not capable of handle our feelings, then how will we count on to show the kid to not simply react emotionally once they have an issue that they’ll’t clear up?
Most of the speaking goes to occur not in the warmth of the second. Most of the educational goes to occur if you’re speaking about it later. That’s one thing that folks and lecturers can do: to inform the story of what occurred prior and discuss other ways to deal with the issue that they have been having.
Now, the opposite factor, too, is developmentally-applicable expectations. Numerous instances, we’re anticipating a two-12 months-previous to share once they physiologically can’t try this. We’re anticipating them to attend for lengthy durations of time with out getting antsy and transferring round. Sometimes we don’t have developmentally-applicable expectations.
It is also the emotional local weather in the room. Energy actually does have an effect on the feelings, which then impacts the habits. If a trainer is consistently saying, “No, no, no, no, no,” and is yelling on the youngsters, that’s going to create a whole lot of stress in the room. Then, extra seemingly, there’s going to be biting. There’s going to be hitting.
Now, a whole lot of what I’ve talked about, up thus far, has been issues in the classroom. I do know there’s dad and mom on the market like, “Okay. Well, what can I do about it?”
Janet Lansbury: Well, this sounds prefer it’s the identical scenario for fogeys. Everything that you just’re speaking about applies to oldsters observing: when is that this developing for my baby? Being interested by what the symptom is linked to.
One blanket factor we are able to say is: my baby’s uncomfortable. This baby is uncomfortable, in a way, to some stage. I feel all the pieces you’re speaking about applies to oldsters: our personal emotional regulation, having our personal feelings concerned when a toddler is appearing in these methods which can be difficult or disruptive. That normally comes from our worry that we’re shedding management or that our baby goes to be like this different person in our household who’s having a horrible time or all of these issues.
Mr. Chazz: Right. I at all times prefer to attempt to break issues down for the adults, how youngsters really feel via grownup conditions. Us, as adults, we’re not at all times the identical in each atmosphere. Our habits isn’t the identical once we’re round our relations, our speedy household, perhaps not our household at Thanksgiving versus once we’re on the mall, versus once we’re simply with our pals, versus a piece atmosphere. No one even has to inform us to behave completely different, however we simply do. The atmosphere impacts the way in which that we behave.
It’s the identical factor in the classroom. Some lecturers get annoyed by that response. Some lecturers are like, “Well, there’s no way that they are not showing this behavior at home when we see it all of the time here.”
I’m like, “Well, if they’re hitting because of a toy and they’re an only child, all the toys in the house are theirs, so they don’t have that situation where they want a toy but they don’t know how to get it or they don’t know how to ask for it because, in their environment at home, they automatically have the toys.” Numerous instances, it’s the atmosphere that’s completely different that’s triggering completely different behaviors.
Another factor in regards to the atmosphere, too, it is also the dynamics in the classroom with completely different personalities. Some youngsters very a lot worth their very own private area, and then some youngsters worth different folks’s private area, that means they need to be in it. Maybe, at house, private area and boundaries isn’t actually a lot of a dialog as a result of mother and dad are okay if the 2-12 months-previous or three-12 months-previous is climbing on them or taking part in with them, however the different two-12 months-previous or three 12 months previous just isn’t okay with you climbing throughout them and would possibly hit or push simply to say, “Hey. Back up. Get off me. You’re in my space.” Then which may elicit one other response from the opposite baby. Because the environments are completely different, it’s prone to deliver out completely different behaviors.
Janet Lansbury: Sometimes it may be simply the quantity of our bodies, the noise stage. The power stage in a room can set youngsters off.
Mr. Chazz: There are positively lecture rooms which have various power ranges. It’s completely different personalities relying on what’s taking place. It’s not even at all times unfavourable power. Maybe a toddler’s tremendous excited, in order that they run and they stumble upon somebody. The baby didn’t intend to knock one other baby over, however they have been simply excited, and so they only went to the bodily option to categorical their power as a result of that’s the a part of their mind that’s developed, and that’s what their body’s telling them to do.
It might be very difficult in a classroom. Being attuned to the youngsters in the room might be very difficult for lecturers. Realistically, there is likely to be some instances the place the trainer is on eye stage, actually engaged with one baby, and so, on the opposite aspect of the room, there are two different youngsters who’re taking part in, and they start to get annoyed as a result of they each need the identical toy. The trainer is probably not conscious of that in the second. It’s a relentless virtually balancing act to be attuned and to know who wants the attention, the time, what must occur in the room for all these completely different little people with their particular person wants, needs, wishes, personalities, dynamics.
One baby would possibly simply had a tough morning or a tough interval as a result of perhaps dad’s gone away for a few weeks for work, and so now he’s bringing the stress of not having the ability to see dad and this inconsistency in his life into the classroom. That can have an effect on one other baby too. Like I mentioned, the power does unfold.
There are lots of people who do… You talked about commentary, really doing it. There are lots of people who come in with levels in early childhood and they’ve information, nevertheless it’s completely different to really purchase the talents to be in tune and know what youngsters want and to actually really feel the power in the room. That takes time. That takes expertise.
From speaking to oldsters, I do know that it’s the identical factor with parenthood and attempting new methods. Maybe you used to spank your baby and you’ve determined that you just not need to spank your baby and you need to use different extra optimistic methods to show your baby. It takes apply to study one thing new to speak together with your baby, to speak how your baby receives it.
Janet Lansbury: Absolutely.
Well, let’s proceed on with the instance so we can provide dad and mom some specifics and lecturers which can be listening as effectively. Let’s say the kid is hitting. You mentioned you observe to search out out why that’s taking place. Then what could be the subsequent step that you’d take?
Mr. Chazz: It could be dependent upon the rationale that we recognized that it’s taking place. Let’s say that the kid tends to get annoyed, overwhelmed in their feelings, and their response is hitting, typically biting. It’s extra frequent in the toddler, two-12 months-previous age group, however typically in threes too. Let’s say that’s the rationale. Instead of simply specializing in the hitting, we need to train this baby methods to talk and clear up these issues once they’re in these conditions.
That could also be somewhat bit particular to the kid and based mostly off of the talents that the kid already has, as a result of if the kid can’t speak, if the kid isn’t utilizing phrases but, then what a whole lot of dad and mom and lecturers generally tend to say is, “Use your words. Use your words,” however the baby doesn’t know what phrases to make use of. Also, your baby has a good more durable time utilizing their phrases once they’re overwhelmed in emotion, as us adults do as effectively. Right?
Janet Lansbury: Right. That can really feel very pressurizing, “Use your words. Use your words.” Yeah, I put myself in the sneakers of younger youngsters very simply on a regular basis. I hear somebody saying that to me, and it’s like I would’ve had a phrase earlier than that, however now I’ve completely none as a result of there’s that, “Use your words. Use your words.” Yeah.
Mr. Chazz: Right. Let’s say baby A is a toddler who we recognized is hitting. They reply to issues by hitting. We observe that one other baby tends to attempt to take one thing from this baby or they’re getting in their area. They’re doing one thing that they don’t like, even attempting to play with the kid when baby A, who’s hitting, doesn’t need to play. I’ll train that baby if they’ve somewhat little bit of language. I’ll train them to say the phrase “stop.” It does two issues. One, it lets the opposite baby know, “Hey, you’re in my space.” It’s type of just like the warning shot, “Get away from me. I need my space.” It’s the communication. I additionally train the opposite youngsters in the room, when somebody says, “Stop,” cease. That will get into this complete different dialog about consent.
I’ll train a toddler to say, “Stop,” and train the opposite youngsters, “When someone says, ‘Stop,’ that means stop.” Now, that additionally lets me know, because the trainer or a mother or father in the room, once I hear the kid say, “Stop,” even when I’m busy, I’m doing one thing else, perhaps I’m speaking to a different baby, perhaps we’re doing an artwork challenge, no matter it’s, I hear the phrase cease, my ears instantly perk up. I’m observing, I’m watching. I don’t essentially simply soar in and rescue the kid from the scenario. I type of watch.
Me, hopefully being a trainer who’s constant in the classroom, I do know each youngsters and their personalities. I do know the cues if baby A or B is about to hit or not, however I’ll look. If the kid walks away, I’ll reinforce it and placing phrases to what occurred to develop the language. Because my total purpose is to offer the kid the language to resolve issues, as a result of that’s the underlying problem right here. I’ll reinforce that and say, “Wow, the other child tried to take the toy away from you, and you said, ‘Stop,’ and they stopped, and they found another toy to play.” That will assist them course of what occurred. It’ll make it extra seemingly, later when one other baby is doing one thing or related, for them to make use of these phrases.
Now, what dad and mom can do is-
Janet Lansbury: I simply need to say I really like that you just acknowledged and you stored the kid targeted on, “You did this,” as an alternative of… Sometimes, if we are saying like, “Good job! You did it!”… we make a giant deal out of it, then now it’s about: Oh, I happy Mr. Chazz, and he likes me once I do that, as an alternative of: Yeah, I did that, and that labored. So they’ll really personal it. I do know typically folks suppose we’re purported to do these huge reward issues. You simply demonstrated superbly how that easy acknowledgement really is what empowers the kid to personal it and maintain proudly owning what they’re doing.
Mr. Chazz: Yeah.
Now, what dad and mom can do is they’ll ask a few of these questions on what’s taking place. What’s taking place earlier than? What’s taking place after? Is there a sample? Is there a time of day? Is it taking place proper earlier than lunch? Is the kid simply hungry, and do I would like to only perhaps give breakfast somewhat bit later and be sure that I’m giving them a great breakfast? Just actually partnering.
I can’t stress that sufficient. Parent-teacher partnership is so necessary when fixing, particularly, the massive issues in the classroom. Sometimes folks don’t really feel snug letting the mother or father know, “Hey, this is what happened.” Part of it’s as a result of the trainer or the person who’s speaking it’s speaking it in a manner that’s, “Hey, your child did this. This is a bad thing your child did. You need to fix it.” That’s not useful.
The manner it needs to be communicated is like, “Hey, this is what we’re observing what’s happening. These are the things that we’re doing. Are you observing the same behavior at home? What are some things that you guys are doing? We just want to be on the same page so that we can work together and that we can do strategies together so that the child is getting consistency at home and at school.”
Then, after getting a plan — you establish what the precise underlying problem is — then it’s engaged on that. It’s working collectively, doing issues collectively. The extra constant we’re with any technique, the extra it’s going to be efficient, the extra it’s going to take and the extra useful it’s going to be for the kid.
So I’d construct these relationships. It’s tremendous laborious throughout these COVID instances as a result of now, due to COVID, most dad and mom aren’t even seeing the trainer, not even having that finish-of-the-day or starting-of-the-day quick dialog that we used to have. Something that I’ve been doing is simply attempting to name in the center of the day when it’s not so busy.
Janet Lansbury: It appears, to me, once I hear from dad and mom that they’re getting stories from a care scenario that aren’t taking place at house, there are two classes or a mix between these two classes. One is that the group scenario… The baby is delicate to that. It could also be too stimulating. They might not have the talents to cope with all of the issues which can be developing with all the youngsters there and all of the folks there and the our bodies. It might be that, that such as you mentioned, that the kid isn’t experiencing at house.
It will also be that, for some motive, the kid is having issue getting sure wants met at house round their emotions, feeling secure to share, perhaps, offended emotions or emotions which can be laborious for us, as dad and mom, to obtain or to permit for. Therefore, there’s a buildup, and then it’s type of exploding out of the kid at their care scenario.
It looks like these are the 2 classes. One, there’s much more that the mother or father can do. The different is likely to be extra about issues that the college may do to assist the kid. I imply, there’s a mix between each of those, clearly.
Mr. Chazz: Yeah. It’s necessary for us to acknowledge that youngsters, like adults, they’ve dangerous days too. They have issues that stress them out as effectively. Anyone who leads a staff in the office is aware of that feelings and stressors at house can very a lot have an effect on our efficiency at work and, for them, in school as a result of there are a whole lot of expectations in school. Sometimes their capability to deal with these expectations is decreased once they’re burdened. That’s the identical factor for us.
Imagine, at work, you will have a extremely huge factor that’s taking place that requires extra attention than typical. When you’re at your greatest, when you’ve got a great night time’s sleep, when your property life and your relationship together with your partner and all the pieces’s going effectively, then you definitely’re capable of present up. Maybe it’s robust, however you’ll be able to excel. When there are issues occurring at house and there are inconsistencies and stress at house, then if you’re going into work, like when youngsters going to high school, you’re not going to be at your greatest. That transition for that baby, he is likely to be extra simply triggered due to the stress at house too.
Janet Lansbury: Right.
Mr. Chazz: Now, there’s one thing else that I need to point out. I really feel like, if I didn’t say it, I wouldn’t be doing the folks listening on the market justice. When you’re on the lookout for baby care facilities, I’d ask in regards to the philosophy of the middle as a result of, in a whole lot of conventional preschool settings, colleges will put a whole lot of deal with what they suppose dad and mom need to see greater than what youngsters want. That is, a whole lot of instances, a extremely huge disconnect for what occurs in the classroom.
Sometimes dad and mom do need what we name product work, which is figure that’s extra targeted on the product than the method. They need that little ducky to appear like a ducky. But what youngsters really want is to be given the supplies, and to discover the supplies, and to place now the eyes the place they need to put the eyes, to place the glue the place they need to put the glue. It’s okay if the eyeball is on the butt. It’s okay if the fishy doesn’t actually appear like a fishy. Really, I get somewhat involved once I stroll right into a classroom and all of the paintings seems to be the identical, particularly for youthful youngsters, as a result of it tells me that –
Janet Lansbury: It’s trainer artwork.
Mr. Chazz: Yeah, that the trainer did it and they mentioned, “Okay. I’m going to put the paint on your hand. I’m going to hold your wrist. I’m going to put it on like that. Oh, no, no, no, no. Don’t put the eye there. It goes there.” And that turns into… What may have been enjoyable-
Janet Lansbury: Therapeutic.
Mr. Chazz: Yeah, an expression of themselves that they’ll admire as a result of it’s one thing that they did. That might be aggravating and-
Janet Lansbury: Teaches the kid that you may’t do issues, and you want different folks to do them and-
Mr. Chazz: And that their work just isn’t beneficial.
Janet Lansbury: Right.
Mr. Chazz: I say all that to say, if you’re placing your baby in a facility, I’d ask in regards to the philosophy. While many youngsters do effectively in conventional preschool settings which will focus extra on product versus course of and they’re anticipated to all sit down for lengthy durations of time and all do the identical factor collectively the identical manner, effectively, some do okay with that, I’d simply be very conscious.
Janet Lansbury: Absolutely, sure. I’d say, even when your baby is prospering in these sorts of structured, extra educational, product environments, simply be certain that there’s a steadiness at house, that you’re not then giving them different classes or taking them to lessons, that you’re letting them have that autonomy and artistic exploration at house to steadiness that out, however yeah.
And I additionally advocate, if the college or care middle will allow you to come really observe, for me, that’s even higher. Because, as a mother or father, I’d hear about nice philosophies that sounded actually good coming from the director, however then once I went there and noticed the way it was carried out, the way in which they dealt with habits and sure issues was not what I used to be anticipating. Most colleges will allow you to observe. I’m unsure about care facilities, in the event that they try this, however most faculties will allow you to come and sit for a pair hours and be a fly on the wall watching what’s occurring. I like to recommend that as a result of that’s the place you study all the pieces about what it truly is like.
I wished to ask, as a result of this may apply to so many dad and mom at house as effectively, what sort of stream works to your day in the group care that would additionally translate to oldsters which have their youngsters at house now? When you have been speaking about youngsters needing that autonomous time the place they’ll discover and be happy and not be constricted into product, there’s a steadiness between the construction that youngsters want us to supply with their habits and then the massive areas for these freer instances for youngsters. They want that steadiness. I imply, actually, they want the construction to be in place in order that they’ll be happy. Can you give me an instance of a schedule for the day that works in your facilities?
Mr. Chazz: Yes. The schedule varies relying on the classroom, however the educational day sometimes begins at 9 o’clock, and that’s when our circle time is. That’s typically one other dialog, and lecturers will typically be annoyed as a result of the kid gained’t sit for circle time. My suggestion is make your circle time partaking. Sometimes in our circle instances, we’re anticipating a two-12 months-previous sit and watch us level to letters on the wall for 10, 15 minutes in order that they study letters, and that’s one thing that’s not developmentally applicable. I feel a whole lot of dad and mom, when quarantine started, they tried to do related fashion, and they discovered, in a short time, that’s not efficient and even useful. So —
Janet Lansbury: And the participatory half is what attracts them too, usually, that they really feel part of it. They’re concerned.
Mr. Chazz: Right, and songs. Man, songs are so highly effective. That needs to be a majority of your circle time, and there are different issues you are able to do of simply exploring. I like to deliver issues. I’d have a gathering tune that they knew, once I sang this tune, they knew it was time for circle time, so I’m not having a bark orders that everybody, “Hey, sit for circle time.” I sing the tune. They know. They’re excited. They’re prepared. They need to see the particular factor that I introduced right this moment. They’re excited to sing the songs that we sing, rise up, transfer. Sometimes I make up songs.
Janet Lansbury: Parents don’t have to do that, by the way in which.
Mr. Chazz: Right, right, right, nevertheless it by no means hurts to sing. I do know a whole lot of dad and mom are doing a little homeschooling. If there’s something that you just do need to train your baby about, discovering a tune that goes together with it’s a good way to get your baby enthusiastic about one thing that you just need to introduce to them that they don’t know a lot about.
In the start of the day, we do our circle time. We sing songs. Then, a whole lot of instances, it’ll be artwork or it’ll be free play. Numerous instances, we do free play as a result of that circle time was a structured time, one thing I’m anticipating everybody to do, however then it’s adopted by an unstructured time the place it’s free. It’s much less developing. You need to go up, down, up, down, one thing lively then one thing not as lively, one thing structured then one thing free that they’ll type of do their very own factor and they’ll make their free alternative.
Now, after we do the artwork, there’s free time, free exploration. Then it will get into the surface time. After exterior, it’s lunchtime. We do the entire bathrooming, and cleansing-up course of, and all that jazz, nap, get up, snack. Then it’s both exterior time, perhaps one thing structured, perhaps free play. The afternoon tends to range much more as a result of, after their snack, exterior time, free play or perhaps a structured exercise, it’s decide-up time and youngsters are going house. At the tip of the day, it tends to be extra unstructured.
Janet Lansbury: I feel that’s true at house as effectively. Going exterior after naps is the very best. Spending these troublesome hours between a nap and dinnertime outdoor, if doable, is a present.
Mr. Chazz: Yeah.
Janet Lansbury: For the adults too, to have the ability to be exterior.
Well, this has been a pleasure. Thank you a lot, Mr. Chazz, once more, to your time and all of your knowledge that you just’re sharing with us. I do know that you just’re on TikTok. You’re on Instagram. You have a Patreon. Where ought to we deal with discovering you?
Mr. Chazz: Find me www.patreon.com/mrchazz. Get one-on-one teaching with me, and you get so many different sources with that. Now, you can too discover me on TikTok. MrChazz MrChazz goes to be my TikTok. You can discover me on Instagram as @mrchazz and on Facebook as MrChazz MrChazz. That’s Chazz with two Zs, M-R-C-H-A-Z-Z.
I can’t wait to see you guys there. I’ve numerous content material there that can assist you.
Janet Lansbury: I like to recommend it. You’re only a breath of contemporary air, so…
Mr. Chazz: Same.
Janet Lansbury: Thank you.
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